WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:05.040 I heard that door to that little building slam into the side of the building, 2 00:00:05.320 --> 00:00:11.160 and something running out of there that sounded like a herd of wooly mammoth. 3 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:15.439 I heard a pause when it leaped over the fence and went right down 4 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:18.359 over the hill down into where the spring to the west is, and then 5 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:21.399 I could hear it running all the way down into the swamp. I mean, 6 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:24.320 you couldn't have made this, souff. I tried to make sounds like 7 00:00:24.359 --> 00:00:27.559 it. I experimented for days while I was here, trying to make something 8 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:31.920 sound like this. Even big logs that I would spend up on their end 9 00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:36.359 and the dropover did not make the sound this thing made running. I couldn't 10 00:00:36.359 --> 00:00:39.960 slap the ground with an iron pen and make it sound like this sound, 11 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:43.640 and you could feel it. I'm board of or fifty feet away from where 12 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:47.119 this thing came out of the building, and you could feel those first steps 13 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:50.200 it took. I can draw a log from ten feet in the air and 14 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:53.079 it won't make the sound or make the ground shake like this thing. Did 15 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:30.560 I know that you haven't had, as you put it, a big foot 16 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:36.480 crossing the road in front of you. Uh type encounter. But what are 17 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:44.079 some of the things that you have experienced, Well, my first experiences really 18 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:51.079 have the ones that I know for a fact were some kind of there weren't 19 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:56.159 just normal experiences that all occurred in adulthood. In childhood, I was scared 20 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:57.879 today if I knew about big Foot. I knew, I knew it was 21 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:02.400 a real thing, you know, the way that children know something, And 22 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:06.319 I was scared to death of it. I can't to this day. My 23 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:09.479 bedroom doesn't have any windows in it. I thought to sleep in a room 24 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:15.560 with windows my big My windows had to be covered in sheets and blankets for 25 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:17.560 me to sleep. I was terrified something was going to look in the window. 26 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:23.840 There were times as a child that there were shadows crossed the window and 27 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:28.400 my bedroom was on the end of our house, which was eight feet off 28 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:34.919 the ground. So stuff was going on, and I just didn't really I 29 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:37.800 didn't want to believe what it was. I wanted to think Bigfoot was a 30 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:42.039 phenomenon in the Pacific Northwest and that couldn't happen here. Little did I know 31 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:46.039 I was growing up in Bigfoot Central. But you know, we always had 32 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:49.000 the stories too, and even as a child, and part of what drove 33 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:53.000 me into science was. I wanted to prove my ancestors wrong with some of 34 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:58.240 what I considered their superstitions, you know, I wanted to I wanted to 35 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:00.599 find out what the truth was, you know, rather than just accepting their 36 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:05.400 fairy folk tales of truth. But they were always telling about the Boogeyman and 37 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:07.120 don't go out at night, you know, you know, all the stuff, 38 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:10.919 right, and so I wanted not to believe it, and yet was 39 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:15.479 scared to death of it. But I never had an experience. As a 40 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:19.280 child. I was all over the woods, but I always felt watched, 41 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:23.199 and I always felt protected. I always felt like I could go anywhere, 42 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:29.439 the closest thing I have to their possibly being one occur in childhood. I 43 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:34.400 was in the woods behind my grandparents' house, like two heels over so good 44 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:38.520 ways from the house, and the neighbor's dogs come rushing through, barking at 45 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:43.000 us and trying to attack me and my brother. And I'm eight or nine 46 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:49.199 years old, so I take off running and something stopped those dogs. I 47 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:51.919 didn't turn around to look, but all of a sudden, the dogs were 48 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:53.879 not chasing us, and you could hear the dogs, the yelping and screaming 49 00:03:53.960 --> 00:04:00.000 and running away. That's the closest thing in childhood that possibly happened now. 50 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:04.439 In childhood, I remember hearing the story about the Bigfoot walking down the creek 51 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:09.840 here that runs in front of my house, and we would go sleigh riding 52 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:13.879 on the hills here that run down to that creek where my house sits now, 53 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:16.720 and I was always scared to death I was going to see bigfoot down 54 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:21.199 in these woods. These woods that I live above always have felt weird and 55 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:26.199 creepy and ponted, and you know, they just have that vibe about them. 56 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:31.639 They're right on a swampy area, and there's a spring to the southeast 57 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:34.959 of my house. There's a spring to the west of my house, and 58 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:39.839 so I was always terrified sleigh writing that there was going to be a big 59 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:41.879 foot in the edge of the woods or come out of the woods. I 60 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:44.399 mean, And what does stuff like that even come from, you know, 61 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.079 because I mean, certainly I was watching. I was watching the shows, 62 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:49.839 you know, I was watching in search of and anything I could get, 63 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:54.920 you know, that I could watch. And once I was in my teens 64 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:58.160 and I was finding books on them. I was reading things, you know, 65 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:02.519 I read Sanders and you know anything I could get a hold of early 66 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:10.279 on, but it was only as an adult that I've had real experiences. 67 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:14.519 One experience that happened, and I don't know what this actually was. This 68 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:17.120 was in nineteen ninety four. It was the month I had moved back up 69 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:21.519 here from Florida to the house. I was out back with a friend who 70 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:26.360 had helped me move up here. He stayed for about a month, so 71 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:30.759 I kind of know the timeframe. We were standing out back and at the 72 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:35.879 front of my house there's a bank that drops down about five feet and there 73 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:40.920 was a little tree there right beside the deck, and all of a sudden 74 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:46.439 we see something step up that bank, and one step. It was stepped 75 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:48.720 from down below the bank, right up beside that tree. Was standing there 76 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:51.759 looking at us, but it was invisible. It looked like the Predator from 77 00:05:51.879 --> 00:06:00.680 the movie Predator. It looked like glowing, fizzying yellow waves of heat on 78 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:06.480 pavement that had like little like almost like a little rainbow sparks in it if 79 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:10.279 you were seeing it out of the corner of your eye, but if you 80 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:15.240 look dead on it, you couldn't see anything. And it was right after 81 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:18.279 I'd moved back. I just took it here again, falling back on my 82 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:25.839 raisin. I just took it that it was the spirit of the spring down 83 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:30.839 below the house, you know, because that one spring, the one to 84 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:36.800 the south of my house the southeast, is active and creepy, and I 85 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:41.199 just thought, well, that's that's the water spirit, you know, because 86 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:47.160 water spirits are big thing in the failure. And I was not quite at 87 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:51.879 the point where I was questioning that failure is deeply and so I was like, 88 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:56.920 eh, water spirit. And so we stood there for a minute or 89 00:06:56.920 --> 00:07:00.519 so and it just stood there, didn't do anything. It looks very lift, 90 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:03.319 very thin, tall and thin. This thing would have been tall nine 91 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:09.160 feet and very very thin. The arms were long, but the whole thing 92 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:15.720 was just thin. But you couldn't make any details because you couldn't see anything. 93 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:19.279 How far away were you, oh, forty five feet? My house 94 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:23.360 is thirty six feet long. We were standing about two feet away from the 95 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:27.040 back of the house, and it was standing about eight or ten feet from 96 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:30.839 the front of the house, So forty forty five to fifty feet tops? 97 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:36.480 Could you do? Was it physically impacting the environment like the vegetation around it? 98 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:40.120 Yes, you could see the tree move that's what we first noticed. 99 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:44.680 When it stepped up on that bank, the tree, the bottom branches moved. 100 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:48.720 Yeah. And now remember distinctly, it had its arm. It had 101 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:51.360 to have had its arm because it had to have reached up into that tree 102 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:54.680 when it came up. I think that's what caused the tree to move. 103 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:58.399 But that's what we noticed first. And we both glanced at the same time, 104 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:01.680 and I said to my friend, do you see that. He said, 105 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:03.639 yeah, let's go in the house, and I said, no, 106 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:07.399 wait just a second. I just kind of stand there and sit there and 107 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:09.439 looked at it. And again this will sound totally woo and crazy, and 108 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:13.839 I hate saying things like this, but I flashed good energy at it. 109 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:18.639 I made my energy by the yellow, which to it was, you know, 110 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:26.720 in my way of thinking and my experience is like happy, welcoming color, 111 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:33.240 you know. I mean, because I hate this, I see auras 112 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:37.240 and when I see someone with a yellow aura, they're generally very jovial, 113 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:43.000 happy people. And so it was like it was like saying welcome. I 114 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:46.159 flashed that energy at it, but it was also a way of saying to 115 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:48.639 it, I see you, and I can make this energy change colors if 116 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:54.600 I need to, And it didn't do anything. It just stood there. 117 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:56.480 I felt like it was a greeting. It didn't feel aggressive. There was 118 00:08:56.600 --> 00:09:01.519 no sound. There was, you know, the back ground sounds continued, 119 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:03.919 you know, you could still hear the birds. This didn't do anything, 120 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:09.080 you know, like the typical scary kind of encounter. But then again, 121 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:13.799 I am not even though I was a complete coward of everything as a child, 122 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.759 as I grew up and got older, I lost, you know, 123 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:20.159 a lot of that fear, and I just didn't have a fear response to 124 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:24.200 this. There was no fear involved in this. And I have to say 125 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:28.919 another little dirt road. I think a lot of times that whole fear thing 126 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:35.600 that people are feeling is their own stuff and not necessarily what the beings are 127 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:39.720 doing. It's an ancestral reaction, you know, it's a subconscious reaction. 128 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:43.960 Not in every instance, because I've been hit with something that made me fearful. 129 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:50.799 But this was not doing any of that. This felt like a greeting, 130 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:56.039 like welcome back, a welcoming of some kind. And I regret, 131 00:09:56.159 --> 00:10:01.919 honestly that my reaction was as stand and offish to it as it was. 132 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:07.440 I wish i'd stayed outside longer and seen what was going to do. But 133 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:11.799 we went in the house because my friend was freaking out, and I was 134 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:13.120 like, well, I told you, you know, And he had seen 135 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:18.279 an orb become a craft with me just a couple of weeks before, and 136 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:22.759 so he was just, you know, he had to go back to Florida. 137 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:28.559 Yeah. I did have a thing happen in Florida when I lived in 138 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:31.399 Gainesville, Florida. Of course, there's all kinds of big Foot reports from 139 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:37.559 there. I had gone out on the main drag that goes out past Paynes 140 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:39.320 Prairie. There's a place out there I used to go and park way out 141 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:45.120 in the country and walk down this forest road like a logging road, or 142 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:48.759 I think it was like a Kentucky it would be like forestry service. I'm 143 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:52.399 not sure what it is down in Florida, but I would go down there 144 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:54.200 and walk, often by myself, just way out in the woods, down 145 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:58.279 this trail. And I always felt great out there, loved it. And 146 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.639 one time I was out there and just suddenly knew I had to turn around 147 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:05.399 and leave. And it wasn't that I didn't go into a panic. I 148 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:07.759 didn't go into fear it was just an absolute knowing at that moment, I 149 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:11.879 just get the hell out of here. I turned around the left and nothing 150 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:15.879 happened. And so, you know, so I know that fear can hit 151 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:18.639 people. You know, I'm not saying that it can't, but I think 152 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:24.320 a lot of times that fear response is something that's within the person's their response 153 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:31.440 rather than the object itself. Because I was having I would have fear responses 154 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:37.120 at times to these orbs. You know, one night I would go out 155 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:39.000 and they'd do their little dance and I'd be completely fine. The next night 156 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:43.159 I'd go out and they would do the exact same thing, and I'd get 157 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:46.559 scared and have to go in the house. And that's that's I think that 158 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:48.759 was me. I don't think it was them. I don't think they were 159 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:54.320 doing anything different. So then later of things that happen that are bigfoot ish 160 00:11:54.399 --> 00:12:01.320 and nature I'm at one point in the year two thousand and one, I 161 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:05.879 moved for a year to go to one of the big cities here in the 162 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:11.559 state I live in to as part of my research project. The actual hands 163 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:16.279 on growing the animals part had ended, and so I went back up to 164 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:20.679 one of the universities just for correlating data and some stuff like that that I 165 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:24.600 was working on. And so I was living in a city at that time 166 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.320 and wasn't living here in the house. And in April of two thousand and 167 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:35.639 two I came back down here. And for whatever reason, in two thousand 168 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:39.279 I had found the BFRO website, and then I found the GCBRO and then 169 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:43.080 I found blog talk radio and all that. So I'd gone crazy. Do 170 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:46.799 you followed the same path I did? Yeah, I'd gone bigfoot crazy. 171 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:50.960 I was. I didn't do anything but read and listened to bigfoot stuff. 172 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:56.799 I came back here that April one day. Of course, the animals weren't 173 00:12:56.840 --> 00:13:03.440 here. And I have a big animal building to the west of my house. 174 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:07.840 And of course my house property is on the hillside, and so the 175 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:15.480 house and this animal house, the longside runs east to west, and the 176 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:18.919 front and back run north to south. And so if you're at my house, 177 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.360 you walk out of my house to the west, and then you turn 178 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:26.960 and go just up the bank, you know, five or ten feet, 179 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:31.120 and then you turn to the west again to go into the area where these 180 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:33.639 where the animals were. And there were no animals there, and I had 181 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:37.679 left some of the doors open, not thinking anything on it. You know, 182 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:39.600 we had cleared out that part of the program was over, and so 183 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:45.279 the animals had gone on to, you know, to the for study. 184 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:48.320 They had gone on to. They had been shipped out. They weren't here, 185 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:50.039 and so the buildings were setting empty, and I was I don't even 186 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:52.000 know what I was doing going up there that day. I guess it was 187 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:56.039 just checking on it, or probably walking out to look at garden plants or 188 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:01.159 something. And I had built a little building on this side of that building, 189 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:03.080 a little room like an eight by six, and then I had built 190 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:07.759 another room on the front of that building that was like an eight by twenty 191 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:11.879 one. And so as you're approaching the building, you can't see that little 192 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:16.120 eight by six building on the back end. So I get to the point 193 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:20.159 where I would turn and go up the little bank, and all of a 194 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:24.480 sudden, I heard that door to that little building slam into the side of 195 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:31.399 the building, and something went running out of there that sounded like a herd 196 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:37.720 of wooly mammoths and went running to the west. I heard a pause when 197 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.320 it leaped over the fence and went right down over the hill, down into 198 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:43.919 where the spring to the west is, and then I could hear it running 199 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:48.320 all the way down into the swamp, and every step it took sounded like 200 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:52.600 you had well, I don't know what it sounded like. I mean, 201 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:56.679 you couldn't have made this stuff. I tried to make sounds like it. 202 00:14:56.720 --> 00:15:00.480 I experimented for days while I was here, trying to make something saf like 203 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:05.159 this, and even big logs that I would stand up on their end and 204 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:11.279 then drop over did not make the sound this thing made running. And that 205 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:15.559 that had to have been something of this nature. I mean that, you 206 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:18.240 know. I mean I didn't see it, just force of it hitting the 207 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:24.879 ground. Yeah. Yeah, it sounded like feet the size of a feet, 208 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:26.840 like four foot by four foot slap in the ground, you know. 209 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.559 I mean they weren't that big obviously, but you know, I've felt like 210 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:35.039 I couldn't slap the ground with an iron pen and make it sound like this 211 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:39.600 sound and you could feel it. You know. I'm forty or fifty feet 212 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:43.440 away from where this thing came out of the building, and you could feel 213 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:48.559 those first steps it took. I mean, I can drop a log from 214 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:50.360 ten feet in the air and it won't make the sound or make the ground 215 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:54.279 shake like this thing did. Yeah. I've talked to several people that talk 216 00:15:54.320 --> 00:16:00.159 about feeling it as they run off or whatever. Yeah, and that, 217 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:04.320 Yeah, it takes like a tremendous I mean, like things like elephants turned 218 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:10.039 to mind or you know, cattle stampeding and things like that. Uh, 219 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:15.440 but you want to know what's really screwed about all that? Not a footprint, 220 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:22.039 nothing, nothing, But I'll say what it did leave. You could 221 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:25.159 see the path in the field because when it jumped over the fence, it 222 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:29.639 went out of my garden area, jumped over the fence into a field which 223 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:33.600 at that time was basically just grass and weeds, and then on down in 224 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:36.159 the woods. You could see the path that it took. It just didn't 225 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.759 leave me footprints. You know, you could see that the vegetation was had 226 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:45.240 been parted. What was in the building anything, nothing, Nothing was standing 227 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:48.200 there empty. I think it had been in their sheltering, if that makes 228 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:51.519 any sense. Doesn't make any sense to me, but that's kind of what 229 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:53.480 I think is Like, you know, it had found this building with an 230 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:56.360 open door. It was like, Hey, I'm going to spend the night 231 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:59.679 here, you know, I mean that doesn't really sound crazy at all to 232 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:04.839 me. I mean, there's been so many circumstances where people had them taking 233 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:11.599 shelter in barns and sheds and garages exactly. So it's an old barn standing 234 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:15.839 empty right up the hill, and I've never seen one in that barn. 235 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:18.720 The barn's not there now. We tore it down a few years ago because 236 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:21.960 it fell apart it with the old old barn. But that barn always gave 237 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:25.240 me the creeps. And of course that barn is right in the middle of 238 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:29.119 the spring at my uncle's house that I saw the orb that turn into the 239 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:33.079 UFO come out of and the spring this thing ran down to the barn sat 240 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:40.519 right in the middle of it on a high point. Uh. And but 241 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:44.960 that necessarily means anything, but it's interesting. But this thing ran down to 242 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:47.880 that spring, and then I heard it go on in because that spring makes 243 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:49.720 a little creek that feeds down into the creek that runs in front of my 244 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:52.920 house, and there's a swampy area down there, and I rarely go down 245 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:57.599 into those woods. I have huge bamboo groves around the house too, and 246 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.720 go down in the woods much. It's not that I'm scared to. It's 247 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:06.119 just that it's like, well, you know, you all stay down there 248 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:08.720 and I'll stay up here. Yeah, things to work for us all. 249 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:15.240 So that was one. Then another year I moved back for several years and 250 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:18.839 continued with a slightly different project. And then when that one was over, 251 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:23.559 I repeated the same pattern. I left here for a year and went up 252 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:27.640 to the city and was there for about a year, and again in April 253 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:33.039 of that year, that would have been two thousand and nine, I came 254 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:37.759 back down here and I had been having dreams about one of my types of 255 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:42.119 bamboo. I have this rare type of bamboo that was planted down up above 256 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:47.039 that spring to the southeast, and I kept dreaming about it, and I 257 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:51.119 thought, that's weird. And so when I got here, what had happened 258 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:56.839 is some of the local crackhead kids had I mean kid any teenagers or young 259 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:03.839 adults, some of our local meths has had while I was gone, had 260 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:10.119 come down into those woods and were camping out, and they had cut some 261 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:14.079 of that bamboo. And it's a real slow growing type that's hard to establish, 262 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:17.079 and of course them cutting it set it back severely, and so of 263 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:19.839 course I called the local police, and they came out and did their investigation. 264 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:25.079 And you know, neighbors saw who did it, and so I told 265 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:27.440 them who did it, and they talked to them. And this was so 266 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:30.359 funny. When the officer came back and told me, it was so hard 267 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:33.759 not to laugh. He said, one of them kids told me that you 268 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:37.839 ran them off, that you were up there screaming and throwing stuff at him 269 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:41.119 and ran them out. I said, I don't live here right now, 270 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:47.039 so something had run them off. And of course they were right above that 271 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:51.880 spring. I wouldn't camp above that spring, but anyhow they had so while 272 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:55.559 I was here one of the nights, while I was staying here, and 273 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:57.640 I don't remember exactly when it was, I was asleep here. I sleep 274 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:02.799 in the upstairs. My house is Earth's shelter with a high pitched roof, 275 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:06.440 and I've got a bedroom upstairs, and like I said, no windows in 276 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:11.400 the bedroom. And there's a back door though, that goes out the back. 277 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:15.519 And when you come in the back door, I built a false wall 278 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:21.119 that's about four feet from the back door, and my bed is against that 279 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:23.799 false wall. So my bed is about four feet from the back door. 280 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:29.359 So I'm laying there sleep. It's about three in the morning. All of 281 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:32.680 a sudden, I wake up and there are people out back talking. I 282 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:34.519 thought, well, these damn kids are back. They're messed up and they're 283 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:37.759 out here behind my house. And so I laid there thinking I'm gonna have 284 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:42.480 to get up and get a shotgun run them off. And I started listening, 285 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:49.519 and it was it was the It wasn't the samurai chatter, but it 286 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:56.039 was not an intelligible human language. Two things talking right behind. I mean, 287 00:20:56.039 --> 00:21:00.319 they couldn't have been more than eight feet away. And then when I 288 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:03.640 came really I'm really alert and I'm really listening. All of a sudden they 289 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:07.079 hit the wall above the door. Well that's ten feet above the door. 290 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:11.680 Something smacked the wall, but it didn't feel threatening. I didn't feel scared. 291 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:17.200 I laid back down, went right to sleep, and I think they 292 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:21.359 were letting me know we're watching. We're watching the place for you. And 293 00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:26.319 there was nothing else. Nothing else happened. That was it. I was 294 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:30.640 going to ask you if anything had ever slapped the wall at your house. 295 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:37.000 Oh, that's their favorite. Yeah, I love that one. Most activity 296 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:41.200 here happens in the spring or the fall. We typically don't get a lot 297 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:45.440 of summer or winter activity, although I had some activity this summer which was 298 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:51.839 really unusual, but that happened in the spring. Both of those instances that 299 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:57.319 I just told you both happened in April, and so those were spring encounters. 300 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:00.480 And yeah, they'll put the wall. I was on the phone one 301 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:06.240 night with a friend, and you know, my house is a nerth shelter, 302 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:08.799 so it's got that high pitched roof, and the sides of my roof 303 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:11.880 go all the way down to the ground on the sides, you know, 304 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:17.680 and then the back has some wall out of the ground, and then the 305 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:22.880 front has both stories out of the ground. I've heard things run across the 306 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:26.440 roof. I had something run across the roof one night around two thousand and 307 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:30.039 four, two thousand and five that shook the whole roof. The light fixtures 308 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.440 were shaking, and I thought, well, they've just tore my roof off, 309 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:38.200 and but nothing. I was on the phone one night with a friend 310 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:41.279 not too many years ago, three or four years ago, and one of 311 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:47.000 them just I mean, it sounded like an elephant had thrown itself into the 312 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:51.799 east side of the roof to the point that My friend was like, did 313 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:56.240 you just fall down the stairs? And I said, no, that was 314 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:00.319 that was the good folk. They want me to know the out there and 315 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:03.960 they knew anything else. But yeah, they do that kind of stuff. 316 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:06.039 They don't do it regularly. They don't do it often, but they do 317 00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:08.000 it. And I'll just tell you one of the things I do that keeps 318 00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:11.400 them away from the back eye kiss outside the back door every day. Really, 319 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:15.160 yeah, just to tell them, you know, this is mine, 320 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:19.799 you just stay off my back door, and they do. I find them 321 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:30.119 whatever I'm interacting with very considerate. They have never forced me to see them. 322 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:32.519 I know, as a young person, if I'd seen them, i'd 323 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:37.000 have lost my mind that had been hospitalized. If as an adult I'd seen 324 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:40.519 them, I don't know what my reaction would be. I think I'm at 325 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:42.039 the point where if I saw one, I would probably shrug and go on 326 00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:47.319 about my work. But I think it's taken me a long time to get 327 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:51.160 there, and I think they have been extraordinarily considerate. But I'll tell you 328 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:55.359 what I do where they're concerned, because it's the same thing my ancestors would 329 00:23:55.359 --> 00:24:00.400 have done with the faithfolk. I don't really gift. You know, I 330 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:04.799 don't do that kind of stuff, but I do throw things out. You 331 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:08.640 know, if an animal died, i'd throw it out, you know. 332 00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:15.880 So you know I have fed them once or twice, I assume. But 333 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:18.799 I just go out and talk to them, just like I talk to anybody 334 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:22.880 else. What do you say, Well, just slave depends on the situation, 335 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:26.039 if you know, like if they are if they get to slapping on 336 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:27.519 the house a lot, I'm like, you know that scares me. You 337 00:24:27.559 --> 00:24:30.720 know that bothers me. I know it's cute. I know y'all getting a 338 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:37.960 kick out of it. Please stop and it'll quit for a time. So 339 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:41.200 you know, they seem to be considerate. Now, other things I've had 340 00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:45.759 happened. I was out one evening in late November, way after dark, 341 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:49.200 probably like eleven thirty at night, putting Christmas lights on a Japanese maple that 342 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:56.200 was beside the house and up in the bamboo grove to the northeast. Something 343 00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:02.559 did, like a tree now on the bamboo that was five knocks in a 344 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:06.480 row, real hard and real loud. Boom bom boom, boom boom. 345 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:11.119 I just said, okay, I know y'all don't want me out here right 346 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:14.000 now. But I've got to get these rest of these lights strung and then 347 00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:18.000 I'll go in the house if y'all can possibly stand it until I can get 348 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:22.920 this finished. I'm almost done, I told nothing else happened. Then one 349 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:27.960 time I'm back early when I had first moved back from Florida in ninety four, 350 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:33.359 a friend was staying with me and the woods down in front of the 351 00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:36.200 house. I had gotten the wild hair that I was going to go down 352 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:41.559 and clear some pathways to make it kind of more park like. And so 353 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:45.480 we were down there working and clearing, and we weren't cutting big trees or 354 00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:51.079 anything. We were basically cutting underbrush, and all of a sudden, me 355 00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:55.839 and him both got sick. We couldn't stand up and had to basically help 356 00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:57.720 each other out of the woods. And both were sick and threw up and 357 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:03.119 had a raging head the whole day and that night and the next day, 358 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:08.000 and you know, we're sick, and you know again, I just shrugged, 359 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:10.799 and I was like, well, we got too close to the to 360 00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:12.759 the spring. The water spirit didn't want us there because water spirits will do 361 00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:18.200 malicious stuff. Water spirits don't like humans as a general rule and they'll zap 362 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:22.920 you. Now what that means in scientific terms, I have no idea. 363 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:26.400 But that fits with the mythology, and it fits with my personal experience, 364 00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:32.039 you know, anywhere I've ever been around and since what I call or my 365 00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:37.720 ancestors called water spirits, they're hostile. Now if you just talk to them 366 00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:41.559 and explain what you're doing, they will become neutral sometimes, but I have 367 00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:49.279 never met one of them that was like excited or happy. So anyhow, 368 00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:52.519 I just shrugged. It was like, well, the water spirit doesn't want 369 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:53.519 us down there doing it, and so we quit and we didn't do anymore 370 00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:57.880 on it. We lasted alone. Nothing else happened, so now I don't 371 00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:03.440 know what it was. The other instances happened In like two thousand and ten 372 00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:08.319 or eleven. I got up and went with my mom to the grocery stores 373 00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:11.640 fairly early in the day. And I'll and I'll say, I'm fairly nocturnal. 374 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:15.720 I tend to get up about two or three in the evening, and 375 00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:21.839 I like to go to bed sometime between four and noon. I always have 376 00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:27.599 been. School was torture because it was not on my algorithms. And so 377 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:30.319 anyhow, I gotten up early to go to the store with my mother. 378 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:33.920 She wanted some help. She was, you know, needing to pick up 379 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:36.480 some things that lows, and so I said, yea, I'll go with 380 00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:40.359 you. And when I went outside again, this isn't spring. There was 381 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:48.440 this smell in the air that was like vetever and roses and rich earth. 382 00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:51.480 It was the most beautiful smell. And I was like, oh, the 383 00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:53.400 smells of spring. Isn't that beautiful? So get in the car and I 384 00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:56.559 leave and I come back. I've got my groceries and I'm unload my groceries, 385 00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:03.079 and all of a sudden at the car, I got weak and just 386 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:07.200 about passed out and had to sit down. I had to eat an apple. 387 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:14.119 And I knew what was happening, or at least I guessed, you 388 00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:18.440 know, I made an assumption of what was happening. I'm pretty sure I 389 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.759 was being hit by infrasound or ultrasound or something. I was being hit by 390 00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:26.599 energy wave of some kind, because that just doesn't happen. I don't get 391 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:29.839 like a low book blood sugar fits or things like that. You know, 392 00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:33.359 it was really weird. I had to eat an apple. I had these 393 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:37.200 Granny Smith apples I had gotten, so I ate one and I sort of 394 00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:41.039 came back too, and the message then that I got was we want one 395 00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:44.319 of those, and so I threw it up in the bamboo and took the 396 00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:48.759 rest of the groceries in the house. And that was an example of mine 397 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:52.279 speak. I've rarely had mine speak happen in day to day life, but 398 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.200 I've had dreams with them. And I hate talking about dream stuff worse than 399 00:28:56.240 --> 00:29:00.720 anything, because of the Lord who knows. I don't know what those are, 400 00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.359 but I've certainly had a lot of stuff happening in dreams. Now, 401 00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:12.079 there's someone I know who lives around here that the woods on the northwestern side 402 00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:18.720 of the family farm abutted a big, huge section of woods, and when 403 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:22.480 I was a kid, you could go back into those woods and they were 404 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:26.319 all grown up, so that you it had been a field that had been 405 00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:29.400 allowed to grow up, so you had trees that had grown up to the 406 00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:36.119 overhead level, and all the briers and underbrush under the trees had died out, 407 00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:40.680 and so it was like it was full of tunnels, and honestly looked 408 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.160 cleared. And I don't think it was natural. I've never seen anything like 409 00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:48.640 this. And years later a friend told me that when he was a kid, 410 00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:52.880 him and one of the neighbors who were friends would go in there and 411 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:57.440 play and that there were cat people that lived in there. Cat people. 412 00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:00.759 Cat people. Now this is what he was calling him. Now, This 413 00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:06.400 poor guy he worked for me for a while, not real bright, not 414 00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:10.200 real well educated. But he said that their faces were flat. Because I 415 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:12.920 made him describe every detail of this. They said their faces were flat, 416 00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:17.559 and that they had like little sharp teeth that came out of their mouth and 417 00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:21.359 that's why they called them cat people, huh. And that they would go 418 00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:23.200 in there and they would play hide and seek with them. Are they just 419 00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:29.880 like normal human size? Oh no, No, they were big. They 420 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.799 were black. Huh. Yeah, And they were scared of them that they 421 00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:36.759 used to go in and play with. And the whole reason that he even 422 00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:40.240 told me that story was because when I went to pick him up one day 423 00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:44.640 to do some work, you know, he was mucking out animal stalls and 424 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:47.519 stuff. I went and picked him up, and I came back a back 425 00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:49.680 road that was different from the path I usually took. I came up the 426 00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:53.319 back hill to get here, and he said, oh, my friend lived 427 00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:56.119 over there. I've been over there a lot, and I was like, 428 00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:57.440 yeah, well, our farm ends over there. We used to play back 429 00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:02.079 in those backwoods. And so he started telling me story, just completely volunteered 430 00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:07.480 it out of nowhere. And when he described on what he described was a 431 00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:11.279 bigfoot, you know, big hairy human looking thing with these flattened in in 432 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.039 faces that you know, they would smile and they had these little sharp teeth. 433 00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:22.119 That's interesting. So yeah, so there's another one. Then another incident 434 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:25.119 on this same little creek that runs in front of my house. If you 435 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.079 go up that back road and you go around, there's a road then that 436 00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:32.319 runs all the way around through there and goes down the creek. And all 437 00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:36.279 my cousins live over there, you know, so this whole area is my 438 00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:41.079 extended family. And so one of my cousins built this beautiful little a frame 439 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:45.359 house over there, and the whole front glass And at that time, there's 440 00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:48.599 not that many people live on that road, and it faces right right it's 441 00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:51.039 the creek. It's across the road from the creek, but it faces right 442 00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:53.759 as the creek. So he got married and moved his wife in there. 443 00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:56.640 And they're young people, they're in their twenties or whatever at the time, 444 00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:01.839 and the next thing, you know, she's had a nervous breakdown and had 445 00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:07.279 to be hospitalized. And the story was that while he was gone to work 446 00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:09.720 at night, he worked third shift, the devil would come and look in 447 00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:15.400 the windows at her. Oh wow. Of course that's the Pentecostal side of 448 00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:19.680 the family, so everything was the devil. Yeah, but yeah, that 449 00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.079 was the story. Devil came and looked in the windows that her every night 450 00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:25.920 with red glowing eyes and would and she she lost it. She was hospitalized 451 00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:31.119 for years. Wow. Yeah, And that's but it never was did And 452 00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:34.599 of course my question was, well, was it doing anything? Never did 453 00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:37.160 anything, just did there and watched, you know. And that's the reason 454 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:40.839 that I that's one of the reasons that I kind of think your world view 455 00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:45.960 and how tightly you're clinging to a worldview, whether it's religious or materialist or 456 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:50.160 whatever it is, if something shakes up your worldview, that can send you 457 00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:54.039 into real terror and trauma. Oh for sure, for sure. And that's 458 00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:58.160 one of the reasons that I think a lot of these fear reactions maybe have 459 00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:01.759 more to do with the person having the fear than the actual being itself, 460 00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:07.640 not in every instance, but in some. But then again, you know, 461 00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:15.119 I have a lack of first hand experience because none of my experiences have 462 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:20.519 been these aggressive type experiences. You know, I've never had anything like that. 463 00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:23.640 And because I was already primed to know that there are things out there 464 00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:29.920 other than humans, it didn't shake my worldview, right, created kind of 465 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:34.000 a buffer. Yeah, exactly exactly. It's kind of like a patch. 466 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.559 I didn't get the computer virus, so or it didn't make my operating system 467 00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:43.279 go off line. But let's see. Then another instance again, that's happened 468 00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:46.319 right above that spring that's to the west of my house. I was over 469 00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:51.480 there. I have some gardens up behind the house up the hill that are 470 00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:54.759 directly up from that spring. And for you know what, occasionally I'll walk 471 00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:58.200 through the woods. But for some reason, that day, I got a 472 00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:00.000 wild hair to walk down through those woods. Sometimes I do it just to 473 00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:05.279 see if there's anything down there. Sometimes I'm just like, I'm gonna walk 474 00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.200 down through here and say if I can see me a footprint, or if 475 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.280 someone's gonna pop out from behind a tree. Nothing ever does. But what 476 00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:15.840 I did find that day, I'm laying on the path, the animal path, 477 00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:22.199 the deer path. Up above the spring was a dead deer, and 478 00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:23.920 I thought, well, poacher's been in here hunting, because I you know, 479 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.519 I don't hunt. I don't have anything against honey. I just don't 480 00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:30.000 have time for it. And I raise more food than I can eat anyhow, 481 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.920 so I don't need to hunt. Although the deer are constantly in my 482 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:37.000 gardens, and I tell the Bigfoot all the time, eat every deer you 483 00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:43.159 can get your hands on it, wipe them out. Yeah, deer as 484 00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:47.480 an endangered species is my fantasy, and not seriously but jokingly. But so 485 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:50.960 anyhow, there was this deer down there. At first I thought poachers. 486 00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:52.880 I thought, well, I need to go up and call the cops. 487 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:54.440 And I thought I just for some reason, I thought, you need to 488 00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:59.519 look at this. Both front legs are broken and twisted, the head is 489 00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:02.960 broken backwards and twisted. There's no bullet holes anywhere, and the stomach is 490 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.880 split open and all the entrails are missing. Huh. I've heard that story 491 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:12.280 before. Yeah. Yeah, and they hadn't taken any of the meat. 492 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.159 What poacher kills a deer and doesn't take the meat, yeah, I mean 493 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:17.599 a poacher at the very loose is you know, gonna cut off the hind 494 00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:22.760 quarters and things like that. Get the back strap exactly exactly, And nothing 495 00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:27.599 was missing. None of the muscle had been taken. What had been taken 496 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:30.760 were the internal organs and the guts, and that was all that was missing. 497 00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:34.519 And there were no bullet holes because let me tell you, I went 498 00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.360 over that thing with a fine tooth comb. Once I realized what I was 499 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:43.800 looking at. Was there any blood? Yep, not a drop. That's 500 00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:47.440 the one that always gets me. Yeah, me too. And that's another 501 00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:51.159 thing. If a poacher had shot it, there'd have been a blood trail. 502 00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:53.519 I mean, I've been hunting before. You know, I'm a good 503 00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:58.800 shot, and certainly I know how to track a blood trail. I know 504 00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:01.800 I can handle myself on the woods. I know how to track you know, 505 00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:06.119 trails, and I had to track footprints. I mean, I spent 506 00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:09.519 the first twenty years of my life basically in the woods, so I know 507 00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:15.039 what I'm looking at. And no blood trails, no blood, no internal 508 00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:22.400 organs, no bullet holes. Did the stomach look cut open? That's the 509 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:24.039 thing. It looked like you'd taken a scalpel. It wasn't ripped. It 510 00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:30.000 wasn't torn. It's cut of course, though you know, my thought was, 511 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:35.760 I bet you money bigfoot was a big, tough, thick fingernail could 512 00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:38.039 do that. Yeah, so that wouldn't necessity. I mean, I don't 513 00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:43.320 think it was a deer mutilation from a UFO, you know. I think 514 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:49.320 that was probably related to this, to the other phenomena whatever. I don't 515 00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:54.400 even know what to say to bigfoot ish things. Another of my favorite stories 516 00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:59.119 that happened. My brother's house is right across the road up just slightly north 517 00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:02.159 from mine, on the same family farm, and his wife, of course, 518 00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:08.440 doesn't believe in any of this stuff. And so one day she was 519 00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:16.079 out on the porch of their house and I quote unquote a bear went walking 520 00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:19.679 through the woods and when it saw her, sea it it got behind a 521 00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:23.880 tree and kept peeking out behind the tree at her. Okay, And at 522 00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:28.239 first she at first she said it was a bigfoot, and then later she 523 00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:30.920 changed the story to the bear, and she always tells it it's the bear. 524 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:31.679 Now. She gets mad when we say it was a big foot, 525 00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:36.360 because me and my brother both are like, it was a big foot and 526 00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:42.000 it was gray, And I was like, well, how many gray bears 527 00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:45.400 have you ever seen in our area? There aren't really any bears in our 528 00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:49.119 area. There are few black bears coming back through that passed through, but 529 00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:51.079 there are none that live here. But yeah, I was walking on his 530 00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:54.039 hind legs, just walking through, and then when it saw her see it, 531 00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:57.400 it got behind the tree and started peeking out at her. And now 532 00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.400 her excuse is that she didn't have her glasses on and she can't see will 533 00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:04.360 at a distance, so she doesn't know what she saw. I mean, 534 00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:09.920 it sounds like just the stereotypical non believer sighting trying to rationalize what they saw, 535 00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:14.320 trying to rationalize it. Yeah, exactly. Well, and she's down 536 00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:16.760 there by herself during the day. I'm sure she scares her. And you 537 00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:21.760 know, I understand, Yeah, I mean, in that situation, I 538 00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:25.039 would probably try to convince myself I saw a gray bear peeking at me from 539 00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:29.840 behind the tree, too. Absolutely. Well. You know, I have 540 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:32.679 tried over the years to convince myself of everything under the sun, with everything 541 00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:38.880 I've ever experienced that wasn't scientifically explainable under current scientific paradigms, And every time 542 00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:45.719 I fail and come up empty handed, and I am too honest with myself 543 00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:50.599 to be able to continue that self deception very long. I finally have to 544 00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:55.840 come around to you know, you didn't see swamp gas. You know, 545 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:00.920 you know that a bear didn't kill that deer. You know a poacher didn't 546 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:05.320 kill that deer. So there's another one. She saw that. One time 547 00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:08.119 they were laying in the bed and something got up on their back deck, 548 00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:12.639 which is fifteen feet off the ground, and went stomping across it and then 549 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.360 jumped off the end of it, naked here it hit the ground. But 550 00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:19.000 they're convinced that was a bear. I have a real bear problem, real 551 00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:22.599 bear problem. And those those those bipedal bear, Yeah, they're a plague 552 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:28.679 in these here parts. And then of course, you know, interspersed through 553 00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:32.760 all this as things running across the roof and things hitting on the back of 554 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:37.880 the house here and there. But then I don't ever see footprint. I've 555 00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:43.039 never seen footprints. I've never even when that thing hit the side of the 556 00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:45.199 house the hard that my friend on the phone with me heard it and thought 557 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:51.360 I'd fallen down the stairs, no footprints, no mark on the house. 558 00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:53.159 There should there should have been, Like I mean, even if it was 559 00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:55.920 just a deer fell into the house. There should have been the roof of 560 00:39:55.960 --> 00:40:00.719 dirty it was dusty. There should have been a mark where the fur rubbed 561 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:05.039 against it. Nothing. Yeah, you know, And that's the thing that 562 00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:08.199 leads me to believe that this is all just a hair bit weirder. I 563 00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:13.800 mean, I don't believe that they're just dumb apes do. I believe they 564 00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:19.039 are a natural, evolutionary branch of our same tree. Absolutely, But that 565 00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:23.519 also does not exclude them being quote unquote magical or supernatural. Although I don't 566 00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:28.480 believe in magic and I don't believe in the supernatural. I believe that these 567 00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:32.480 are natural abilities that we have forgotten or don't use, or didn't evolve. 568 00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:39.440 I mean, there's no telling where we would be as a civilization had we 569 00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:45.320 gone a different route, that's right. And the thing is we went the 570 00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:51.239 material route. We went the route of tools, and so our minds are 571 00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:57.880 evolved around notions of things. To do a thing, you require a thing 572 00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:02.199 to do the thing with. But that's not necessarily true. I mean, 573 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:07.039 think about how many children in this day and age cannot do simple math in 574 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:10.400 their head and have to have a calculator. There'll be a point in the 575 00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:15.280 future if people forget how to do math, that they'll think that doing math 576 00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:19.519 in your head is some kind of magic. Yeah, you know, if 577 00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:22.199 it's been so long, I mean, by the time we get complex AI, 578 00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:25.679 there are going to be things that we used to do in our minds 579 00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:30.159 that people don't do anymore. And you go a thousand, two thousand and 580 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:31.800 three thousand years in the future and they may have forgotten that people ever did 581 00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:36.679 that with their minds. Oh, I'm sure of it. Yeah, I 582 00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:42.480 don't see any I just don't believe there is a supernatural everything's natural. That's 583 00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:45.840 one of the things I have to admit when listening to bigfoot stories, reading 584 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:52.159 stories, listening to podcasts that just makes me want to pull my hair out 585 00:41:52.239 --> 00:42:00.800 sometimes. Is the dualism of it all the fear and I understand some encounters 586 00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:04.119 are horribly fearful. I don't want to put people down or criticize people, 587 00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:12.280 but it's also homocentric. It's all from our little, short, narrow views 588 00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:16.360 of reality. Oh this was unnatural. Oh this isn't a natural animal. 589 00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:22.599 How do you know there's this four billion years of evolution on this planet you 590 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:25.559 ain't seen at all. How do you know what's natural. You know, 591 00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:30.199 you're not used to this. This is unknown to you that I'll buy, 592 00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:36.800 but unnatural who knows. And here's the thing. Everything that Bigfoot does, 593 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:43.679 somewhere in some human mythology is attributed to human magic wielders of some kind, 594 00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:50.840 priests, priestesses, which is wizards, druids, whatever, shamans. There's 595 00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:55.159 nothing they do that at some point someone and our species is not alleged to 596 00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:59.480 have also done. I never thought of it like that, but yeah, 597 00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:05.239 that's that's that's absolutely correct. I mean, that's interesting, that's huh. 598 00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:08.320 Yeah, of course it takes I guess it takes someone with my background to 599 00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:12.800 be able to see that, because you know, stories, I mean, 600 00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.840 and the stories out of family history get you know, people that hear them 601 00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:20.119 and say, well, that's crazy. You know. Look, my great 602 00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:23.599 great grandfather, who was a real well known root doctor or is he would 603 00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:30.800 have called himself a witch. His helping spirit was allegedly a booker, you 604 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:36.119 know, and when he would be in a real hard situation where someone was 605 00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:37.440 real sick and he didn't know if he could heal him, he'd go out 606 00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:40.159 and talk to them and get them to help him. Now, that's the 607 00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:44.079 story. Now I don't I don't know what that is or means. I 608 00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:49.800 wasn't there, but that is the story that was told. And my grandmother 609 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:53.360 always said that these things protected us, and it always protected our family. 610 00:43:54.480 --> 00:44:00.519 I mean, and I've even had an experience that somewhat goes along with fat 611 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.639 when they ran those kids off that were cutting down the bamboo and camping out 612 00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.840 down there doing drugs and whatever else, drinking and carry it on. H 613 00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:14.400 you know, I mean, and that's only that's the most tangential surface kind 614 00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:15.480 of thing. I wasn't here. I didn't see it. I don't know, 615 00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:21.159 but that's the story, and you know that looks to be the same 616 00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:22.719 kind of thing. And then the fact that within a night or two they're 617 00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:25.519 here at the back door talking and slap on the back, and it's one 618 00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:29.880 of the few instances of mine speak where they let me know, we're here, 619 00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:32.679 you're fine. That was the exact words I got, We're here, 620 00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:37.599 You're fine. I just don't see any of this as supernatural, because I 621 00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:43.679 don't believe there is a supernatural. I believe there's superstition and then there's reality, 622 00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:49.159 and our superstition is that humans can't do these things too. But you 623 00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:52.960 know, it benefits people in the positions of power and always have. And 624 00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.480 I'm not talking about quote unquote the deep state or you know, government conspiracy. 625 00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:58.599 I don't tell you about any of that. I'm talking about from the 626 00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:02.280 beginning, the for the tribe, the priests, the you know, whoever 627 00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:07.280 was at the top of the pyramid, the kings, and the later politicians. 628 00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:12.039 It's fall the same thing. Whoever is benefiting from keeping everybody else dumb 629 00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:16.679 and powerless. They're the ones promoting those stories. To stay in power and 630 00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:21.920 to lead, you have to create need, They have to need you. 631 00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.880 That's exactly right. Need and fear. That's right. And that's the thing 632 00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:32.079 when when people tell all these stories about these monsters, these fearful beasts, 633 00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:37.639 My ancestors never looked at the at the good folk that way. They never 634 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:39.119 looked at any of them that way. Now, they knew there were bad 635 00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:43.920 ones, and they knew that if you pissed them off, you'd had it. 636 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:50.400 You'd had it. But that was your problem. You did it, 637 00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:54.199 That wasn't the fault of the being. You had just crossed a boundary that 638 00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:59.920 you should not have crossed. That's like I always heard the old people say, 639 00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:02.440 if you ever run across the bugger, don't look at it the eyes 640 00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:07.719 and the eyes, bow your head, bowl your head, tell it you're 641 00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:10.519 sorry, and walk away. I mean, And I have to admit, 642 00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:14.360 as a child, a lot of this provoked a lot of eye rolling in 643 00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:17.840 me, you know, because even though I'm interested in this stuff and I'm 644 00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:22.480 listening to it, there's the other part of me that you know, is 645 00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:28.800 part of modern culture, and you know, is watching you know, science 646 00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:32.079 shows on whatever the equivalent of PBS was at the time. You know, 647 00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:37.480 I was watching regular programming just like everybody else in the country. You know 648 00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:42.599 that's that's interested in science and modern culture and art and history and those kind 649 00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:46.039 of things. Is hearing these stories, and you know, there's both fascination 650 00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:50.280 and eye rolling are occurring at the same time. But now I know that 651 00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:55.440 they were just conveying facts wrapped in their stories. You know, they were 652 00:46:55.440 --> 00:47:00.199 conveying their sense. Well, one thing I'll tell you real quick too, 653 00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:02.800 if you've got just a second. This summer. What went on all summer 654 00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:07.719 is in one of my garden fields up on top of the hill just to 655 00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.280 the west of it, which is also in the area of that spring. 656 00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:14.559 It's just above the spring. All summer, every time I went in that 657 00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:17.280 field, something would break a branch off and throw it down in the woods. 658 00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:20.760 The first time it happened, it kind of freaks me out, and 659 00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:23.400 I would tell them, don't you worry. I want y'all here. I'm 660 00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:25.719 fine with you being here. I'm not going to come down there and look 661 00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:29.239 at you. I've got to get work done in this field. I'm not 662 00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:32.840 leaving this field until I get that work done. And then nothing else would 663 00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:37.679 happen that evening. But it didn't happen every evening, but it was happening 664 00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:40.000 once a week or so that when I would go into that field, something 665 00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:43.599 would there would be a tree break back in there. Can you could hear 666 00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:45.559 it, I mean you could hear it being broken and twisted off and then 667 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:50.960 thrown on the ground. And what the sense I got, I don't know 668 00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:53.039 this for a fact, but the sense I got was that there because this 669 00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:57.679 was in the summer, you know, they're almost never around in the summer, 670 00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:01.639 there was something here all summer. I think there was a female down 671 00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:05.480 there with a baby. That was what I would get. That was the 672 00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:09.199 image I would get in my mind, because we had a real late spring 673 00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:14.679 here. We didn't warm up until almost June because we're at a higher elevation, 674 00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:17.360 and so we stayed really cold and had a real late spring. And 675 00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:22.599 so I think for whatever reason, this female had chosen my bamboo grows above 676 00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:27.280 that spring. You know, she had a great supply of deer, she 677 00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:30.800 had a great supply of plant matter, a lot of cover, and then 678 00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:36.800 whatever the energy of those springs are was available to her two And that's what 679 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:39.400 I think was going on. That it went on all summer. And it 680 00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:43.559 wasn't that long ago that I was out in my dad's yard, which is 681 00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:47.280 up up on the top of the hill too, and heard a break down 682 00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:51.679 in the woods. And then yesterday I was out working in the yard doing 683 00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:54.320 some work and there was a big crash down in the woods to the south 684 00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:59.960 of me. And that's unusual to have anything going on in summer winter. 685 00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:04.519 So it continues, and to this day, I still can't tell you exactly 686 00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:07.760 what any of it was. Oh and as the dog Man, I've never 687 00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:09.480 had anything that I know of was dog Man. But I did have a 688 00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:15.320 dream in the in ninety four after i'd moved back about dog Man where there 689 00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:17.039 were two what I call at the time wear wolves, because I'd never heard 690 00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:22.480 of dog men at the time, to wear wolves down in that spring to 691 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:25.440 the southeast of me. And I'm up on top of the hill and it's 692 00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:29.519 at night, and I'm one of them. I'm their child, and I'm 693 00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:32.400 running to get away from a human with a gun. And the way I'm 694 00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:37.280 running is I'm going in like leaps and bounds on all fours and I'm grabbing 695 00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:44.760 the grass with my hands and pulling myself forward fast. And at the time, 696 00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:46.480 I knew nothing of dog man. I didn't know a lot of big 697 00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:50.000 foot encounters. I hadn't, you know, I wasn't on line yet, 698 00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:53.440 And I remember how that just mystified me, that grabbing the grass to run. 699 00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:59.559 And then later I've heard reports of people reporting bigfoot and maybe dog men 700 00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:01.880 two where they saw them on all fours and they were grabbing the grasses they 701 00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:06.800 went forward, and that kind of tripped me out a little. But that's 702 00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:09.960 the only only dog man thing that there's ever been but one. And the 703 00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:15.920 only other one was when I lived in Florida. I had gone I had 704 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:19.840 left for a week and when I came back, someone said, well, 705 00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:22.480 I stopped by to see you, but there was that big black dog out 706 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:28.440 in your courtyard and it wouldn't let me in, so I left. And 707 00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:31.199 again, you know, we know those of the Puka, and they would 708 00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:35.639 say, you know that the Pucas were guardians. One of the other stories 709 00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:40.480 they always told was that the uh, the boogers and the Pucahs were the 710 00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:45.519 guards of the high fairies, that they guarded the entrances to the high Fhai, 711 00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:50.360 the tdy h, which are the equivalent to the tall whites and ufo 712 00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:53.480 or I think. And you know, there are things that are like reptilians 713 00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:59.559 and fairy lore too, things like cobalds and stuff like that. So all 714 00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:04.079 the stuff that people see us quote unquote aliens, that's all, you know, 715 00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:08.559 uncounted for and fairy the fairy lower. And now that doesn't mean that 716 00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:12.800 they these things all do interact. That doesn't mean these things are guardians, 717 00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:16.000 but that that's what it all looked like to to my ancestors, and you 718 00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:20.199 know, it kind of looks that way to me too, But I just 719 00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:22.199 don't have the data that I could put together and say, yeah, I've 720 00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:27.360 proven that to my satisfaction. I don't know, but that's that's the only 721 00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.400 dog man thing, although I do know of a couple of stories of people 722 00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:34.199 having seen things that were like dog men, you know, and not right 723 00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:38.559 in the not right here on the farm, but within this area. So 724 00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:42.880 you know, it's the whole ball of wax. And that's one of the 725 00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.559 things I hate when I start trying to tell people about all this is, 726 00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:49.960 you know, I've had it all and so that sounds like total bs. 727 00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:52.480 But it seems to me that those of us who can see it tend to 728 00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:58.159 see all of it. Yeah, that's that's the problem. Uh. One 729 00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:01.840 of the things that I struggled with very early on, and I still don't 730 00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:08.920 talk about very often. The first time I had a bigfoot sighting, see, 731 00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:14.119 I don't even like saying that. Yeah, I know, I don't 732 00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:19.599 either. I had a siding that everybody's heard me looking through the night vision. 733 00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:24.639 But then I had another siding like thirty minutes later, of a completely 734 00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:30.440 different one in the same general area. So there's two sidings back to back. 735 00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:34.880 But then you know, you can I can go on for you know, 736 00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:38.280 the next decade that I spent going out into the woods looking for them. 737 00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:43.079 But then I grew up in a haunted house. I've seen a UFO, 738 00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:45.239 I've seen an ORB. I mean, the list goes on and on, 739 00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:51.519 and the more people that I've interviewed and talked to, I see this 740 00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:58.000 time and time again that typically if you've experienced one thing, you've experienced multiple 741 00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:02.320 things. Absolutely well. That's like I don't have any conscious memory of like 742 00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:09.920 abduction phenomena. But I have had two instances as an adult where I was 743 00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:15.800 really really sick with respiratory it would not go away. And in both instances 744 00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:21.280 there were different dreams, but the same thing happened in both dreams. And 745 00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:23.840 that was at one point in the dream, a gray alien, classic gray 746 00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:29.039 alien appears in front of me. It's like sitting right in my face and 747 00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:32.000 with its little four fingered hand, it's holding a wand and it tapped me 748 00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:37.039 on the chest. And both times I woke up coughing and coughed up a 749 00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:38.840 bunch of green stuff and got well with them three or four days. Wow, 750 00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:40.559 So how do you factor that in? Because I know it was a 751 00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:45.960 dream, Yeah, it did it pull some I mean, how do you 752 00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:51.760 do doctoring on the And that's another thing in the fairy Lord, the fairies 753 00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:53.360 would heal people. The fairies would come and heal people. That's that's a 754 00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:58.760 thing that I've heard in the family that oh Will, the good folk came 755 00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:01.039 and got even fixed him, you know. And like I said, when 756 00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:06.000 things got really bad to where they you know, toward their medicine wouldn't fix 757 00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:09.239 something, often they would turn to their helpers, the gods, the fair 758 00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:15.000 folk, you know whatever, and petition them for help. And I've experienced 759 00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:21.360 that, but I don't know what that was. And like I said, 760 00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:25.199 I have no memories of abduction as a as an adult. I have vague, 761 00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:30.559 foggy memories of being with things that look like great aliens as a child, 762 00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:32.280 but I don't know what that means. And the weird thing with that 763 00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:36.519 is I was scared of everything as a child, But in the dream, 764 00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:39.519 I'm at the end those dreams, whatever they are. I was with a 765 00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:43.440 group of children that I knew, group of children from the area, including 766 00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:47.599 my brother, and They're all freaking out and screaming and losing their minds and 767 00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:52.480 having nervous breakdowns. But I'm talking with the great beings, whatever that means. 768 00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:55.920 And that is another thing in the old Lord. Is that the people 769 00:54:55.920 --> 00:55:00.199 of power, the people who had the healing abilities and the psychicabil whatever those 770 00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:06.239 are. I hate all those words, worked with them and would interact with 771 00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:08.639 them, and that they would teach them things. And but you know, 772 00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:12.280 those memories are fucking They're probably just dreams. I mean, I don't I 773 00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:15.800 don't know what they are, although I have had things on my arm and 774 00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:19.960 on my leg that would appear when I would wake up and be like cut 775 00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:23.480 marks or like little hard things under the skin that weren't there the night before, 776 00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:27.440 and then maybe like a year or two or three later, would vanish 777 00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:30.880 at night. So you know, something's going on there. But yeah, 778 00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:36.199 it's all it's all super weird. Yeah, yeah, super weird. And 779 00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:38.760 I hate the fact that that when you have one of these, you have 780 00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:44.400 all of them, because that just makes it all sound so so made up 781 00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:46.800 and so improbable and so you know, easy to eye roll and dismiss. 782 00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:53.639 But I almost think that the phenomena itself does not want to be revealed. 783 00:55:54.639 --> 00:55:59.480 Yeah, And I would just say to the people rolling their eyes whenever people 784 00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:06.559 talk about this sort of stuff because of you know, how unbelievable. A 785 00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:10.159 lot of it can sound to pause for a second and just think about the 786 00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:15.960 person going through it and how they're trying to rationalize and understand everything that they're 787 00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:22.400 experiencing. Absolutely, and I would say too that the phenomena reveals itself to 788 00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:28.400 individuals. It does not want to do a it's not going on a press 789 00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:32.199 tour, you know. Yeah, it's not looking for clicks and likes on 790 00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:37.400 Facebook. It's not you know, it's not trying to get attention. It 791 00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:43.639 reveals itself to individuals. And I do think that most encounters with any part 792 00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:49.360 of the phenomena is an invitation. You know. Sometimes it's an invitation to 793 00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:52.320 face fears. Sometimes it's an invitation to get the hell out, But it's 794 00:56:52.480 --> 00:57:01.800 always I think it's almost never by accident. This has been an absolutely fascinating 795 00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:07.280 conversation for me. I mean, wow, man, thank you so much 796 00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:14.119 for reaching out and sharing your thoughts and experiences. It's been awesome. I've 797 00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:17.440 truly enjoyed it. Thank you so much. If you've had an encounter with 798 00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:23.239 something you can't explain Bigfoot Alien's Ghosts or otherwise, email me at Bigfoot crossroadtgmail 799 00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:28.000 dot com. If you get a chance, check out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot 800 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:30.880 com. You can find links, past episodes, links to the social media, 801 00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:35.960 merchandise, everything you need, all in one place, and until next 802 00:57:35.960 --> 00:58:01.239 time, remember there's something in the woods.