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Hello how about very good afternoon.
I am Karen Ramirez and we are in

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a broadcast of more than ten radio
to design in your ears and I am

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very happy because we are at the
beginning of the season, of this new

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season that we are doing here in
Capo laboro, in San Luis Potosí one

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hundred and thirteen in the colony Romas, and that I invite you to come

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and turn to your shorm I am
very happy because today I am with us.

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For the first time I had already
interviewed them, but it was fast,

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because they were in an exhibition and
it went fast. But right now,

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if I already have them here,
well one of them. They are

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architecture, movement, and I have
Eduardo Micha, who is here with us.

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He failed Fabio, but here he
is constituted. Here with me,

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Eduardo, how are you? All
right. Thank you, thank you very

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much for the invitation, not thank
you very much for coming. And so

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I had interviewed them super fast when
they made the pavilion of habitat expo that

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I already remember in which year it
was, because it already has a time,

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already has a dol already has a
little bit. I interviewed them there

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quickly, but we were finally able
to connect them in time and they'

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re here. I' m very
pleased with it. Thank you, yes,

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that pavilion tending to like this is
crystal. She was just fatherly,

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the infinite tendency, she said accurately, was incredible. The truth was very

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father. But it' s a
good thing you' re here with us.

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We' re short of fabio,
but another time he' ll be

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with us. I hope clearly and
he says other things than me. Ah,

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Güey Bi, it' s great
to have the perspective of both of

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us. Yeah, well, all
right. I' d like to start

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this interview by asking you who Eduardo
Micha is, because I' m here.

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I' m an architect of La
Nagua. Originally this I wanted to

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be an architect since I was in
high school. I have an architect brother

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and I always liked gossiping about what
he was doing until the early hours of

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the morning, etcetera. And I
always really liked the race. It seems

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to me that I always had some
inclination for the creative part and I really

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liked the philosophical. I am very
good the truth, very troubadour and well

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yes, and I like the part
of architecture, the philosophical part very much.

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I also design and do the built
practice and everything, but I liked

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every first conceptual stage father, that
is, it' s what makes me

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more pair very well and good.
That' s me the perfect truth hears

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and then the one who talent just
makes the decision to get involved in architecture

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was your brother. It wasn'
t as much as breath backwards. A

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little while ago I told him when
I finished prepa I told him I want

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to be an arniteto what you think. I mean, there' s chamban,

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there' s no Chamba, and
Art answered me the truth. Today

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I don' t know any architect
who starves. He almost patted me on

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the back and told me to give
him go and a few days later he

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had opened a furniture store in polanco. He said hey, I' m

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needing someone to take care of this
store. He told me you want to

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come so I finished prepa, I
worked at the furniture store before starting the

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race, because I didn' t
have money to pay for the race.

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I had to work for a while. In fact, I worked a year

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and a half before starting the race. Okay, so I' m starting

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the race at my 20s, already
working a year and a half from a

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furniture and decoration store. And so
I denounce something in the middle, especially

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in the inner part. Yeah,
she' s a rake, but we

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were doing this one, so there
were some furniture designed by him and everything.

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But we made all these adjustments.
Or suddenly I got into gossiping about

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how to design a new piece of
furniture. I still didn' t design

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anything, of course, but I
started to understand a lot, a lot

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of the conception of space and then
started the race. It' s about

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halfway through the race I see myself
a little bit short again of wool from

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what I' d saved and what
I already had to pay for. And

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that' s when I get close
to friends and say son, I need

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an office. But we' re
already going to do something and raise a

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hand, a couple of friends Fabidos
one of them, and we made architecture

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in motion. By that time there
was no longer the furniture store, but

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this one started architecture in motion with
the first idea of making furniture and interior

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design, because in other words,
we were going in fourth or fifth semester.

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Okay, we' re starting like
this. The truth is, if

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we had planned it, I don' t know if we would have done

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it, maybe if they' d
thought about it more, if they'

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d say no maybe, something more
fixed or something not. If you'

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d told him how much it'
s going to cost, how I do

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it. I' d give you
the feeling that we' d questioned a

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lot more. So, being from
Ciudad Juárez and living in Mexico, he

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didn' t like generating some income, too. And I needed to generate

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income for no. And besides,
I was telling them at that time,

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I don' t have any money. I have clients and there I have

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spirit for myself and to more or
less insert something from Chamba, but I

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have no money to invest. But, I mean, I have some experience.

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And so he got into how good
it is to distrust the other.

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It' s this father, but
it' s the same thing I'

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m telling you. If they had
thought about it, they would have said

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how I' m going to associate
with someone who doesn' t have money,

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who doesn' t mean, we
don' t think about it.

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We did it. In a fortnight
after that proposal, we had an open

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office. He' s a friend
He was going to live somewhere else in

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the world. He left an office
perfectly mounted there in the chamizal, in

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forests, up to the top of
forests, we stayed close to the University

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and things got really bad one after
the other incredible. Hey, that'

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s good, what a father he
was already like, that something was for

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you guys. That' s right. Hey, what a father I'

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m very pleased with and you from
the beginning trusted me to say,'

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cause I do pull it off.
You know that my parents' house where

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I lived at the time was in
Tecamachan. Then it was half the meeting

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point of all the quates, those
who lived in the south not to come

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to the seven o' clock delivery
in the morning or stay in the house.

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We' re done with champagne and
we' re going to deliver and

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we' re going to each other. The truth is that we had many

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years of being friends, all of
us getting together a lot and we already

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knew each other quite well. And
the day I made the proposal, I

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don' t remember. If there
were four or six friends in the bar,

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we' d have Turkish coffee between
flat and flat. All right,

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and this one and I' ll
tell you two raised their hand. I

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was the third. First we opened
the director in motion between three and then

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we left just failed and I ok, all right. I would have guessed

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good at that if I was going
to be like this. With you at

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that time, maybe I' ll
join my brother, but you didn'

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t sell it from there. I
can just see what happens like the store,

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the store. I worked for him, but he' s nine years

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older than me. Ah Ok when
the shop closes, because it was mainly

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because of a strong devaluation that there
was in the ninety- four we brought

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pure Italian furniture. Everything went three
times more expensive. Then imagine me as

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a throne that situation. I was
going to his office for a little while,

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but I never formally didn' t
have the training and I wasn'

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t finished. Then that situation was
very uncomfortable and I said no, not

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to prostrate in his shadow. I
mean, he' s already on another

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roll. It' s in big. Sure. Sure, so I never

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thought to say hey, Dame Chambao
a moms, I didn' t have

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to offer. Okay, I was
tending to my clients at the mill a

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little bit, and he' s
chambing him. Yeah, but I think

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you make a big decision. And
besides, it was already like everything already

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written for you, definitely for me, also for my brother, that my

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brother had this four children, of
which two are architects look, one is

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designer, graphic, another is merchant
and the three work with him. So,

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imagine the guy there, because it
would have been weird not to work

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with him by now. A very
creative family. What a father is two,

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yes, the truth is, and
they work amazingly. He also hears,

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What parents is amazing that and how
good that, because now they are

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doing how long the architecture moves.
We already opened in July of the ninety

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- six. That' s about
to turn twenty- eight. Look at

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twenty- eight years when you ask
me and I tell them, it'

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s already much worse, twenty-
eight years. In ninety- six I

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tell you how old I was in
ninety- six. I can imagine it

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was too much. I had four. Wow, eight years. Wow,

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it' s amazing. Twenty-
eight years of architecture in motion. No,

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that' s it. It'
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I' m already the big leagues. We were single. We had

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hair where it' s more.
Handsome all my way, they' re

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still handsome both of us. Of
course I do. Of course I do.

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Wow Twenty- eight years working.
Wow, it' s amazing and

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how that was. Working twenty-
eight years had the time together, see

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what one of us is doing for
this result. I think it' s

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just that we never saw this was
Fabio and Eduardo' s office, not

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like Micha and Correa at all,
we never saw it that way. We

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always saw it as a space of
collaboration where the opinion of all people entered,

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where we could receive, we could
open up and so we worked.

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I mean, surely Fabio and I
are the heads of the office, but

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always all the people who have worked
with us. We have people who are

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twenty- six of those, twenty- eight or twenty- seven wow or

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people who are fifteen eighteen years old
with us, that is, we have

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very long relationships. Not always.
It' s not always like that.

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There are people coming in and at
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But when we achieve this combination,
relationships are usually very long. Wow.

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And that' s why, I
think, because we allow there to be

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a collaboration in everything, in the
whole, in the whole court stateization of

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the projects, in the financial part, in the economic part, we talk

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everything is a workshop. Now we
call it architecture first, movement, simply

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and now we call it armo Worksho
is a workshop, of course, yes,

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it is a workshop work of the
project. Wow, that' s

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amazing. Wow, it' s
a 28- year- old relationship with

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a partner Wow. That' s
also big, big, or it'

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s called so much they' re
changing each other' s personal needs,

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that' s what single bouquets used
to call you. Then Fabio gets married

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about ten years before I have children
before, his needs are different from mine.

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I think I' m much bigger, that is, and going tie

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those changes is is also important,
not because Fabia is already your brother.

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One hundred percent, one hundred percent. Well, they' ve grown up

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together. Besides, first it was
my friends and then partners. Of course,

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friendship is first or any other,
I understand you. I understand that

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part of you, what a parent
that has that relationship and, above all,

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that it continues to prevail with so
many years and that it is going

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to have all this. Okay.
Rather, that kind of creative architecture offices

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that already have many years in the
Rubry and you say is that we already

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have a lot of work. As
a matter of fact, I knew mob

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justly. I don' t remember
whether it was on a social network or

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on an intern page, but it
was on the Internet that I met.

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I met you with your work with
some stairs that you were published and that

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you were very famous and that no
one could believe that you made them,

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two Mexicans. Those stairs were very
famous. You know it' s still

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like the most viralized images we'
re serious about. To doubt we continue

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to publish those canles we made in
India just ah Ok yes already has about

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twelve or fourteen and also they have
copied them seriously. They copied them into

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a film and this ay what and
the one who copied it was nominated to

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the Oscar for the design of the
spado. It' s not true that

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the part we' re trying to
make makes it clear that nothing works,

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but they did copy them. What
a movie Pascinger was, I knew it

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was Fascingers. I saw that movie
where this Chris Pratt and Jennifer Lawrence came

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out and I saw just like that
about Scaryga. I ay, you can

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do a lot of dark mo,
but I already had you know what'

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s going on is that there are
you guys. If I could speak in

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front of a court, I would
perfectly prove to you that it is the

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copy, because they copied even the
defects. M covered the mistakes, mistakes

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I mean the adjustments we had to
make to heat up the design, p

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or if you accuse them in works. I guess they had them, they

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copied them like that and they didn' t have those space limitations or whatever

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it was, not sure, look
amazingly, but yes, we couldn'

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t do anything and yes, I
swear I did make that comparison and those

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stairs I' ve seen before and
I said then dark mo, but I

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never thought that it was a total
copy and completed, since it covers your

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mistakes, it already says a lot, no, not bad, bad,

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bad, but good and besides,
it' s nominated to the best set

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Yes. Yes, yes, son, gentlemen, yes, I remember.

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Yeah, yeah, that' s
right. Wow, wow, well,

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he did good. Not that,
if we see him on that side,

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they did very well. You guys
then met us for that. I didn

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' t know why tearing apart I
was in college and it happened to us.

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I remember, they left us a
task and they just let us see

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that we were just seeing emblematic stairs
of the history of architecture and just we

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already find the most contemporary ones and
they celebrate you and there I just knew

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your work. Like this, but
what a father. This is amazing And

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if I tell you a story about
when I was a student or we had

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a sudden design of stairs and back
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yeah, right, okay, the
truth of those stairs were more designed,

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please for me, but yes not
flunked at the university and here the best

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stairs already at the hotel. Today
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I' m not sure, they' re amazing. I' m

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me I fell in love with the
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I remember you told me where you
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Mexican, Son Mexico, the most
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' t know what father, what
pride that, well, somehow bad that

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they copied them, but since they
break your mistakes. It' s like

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you' re looking at it.
You know I need to identify it and

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tell me what they are doing right
now in architecture and movement, because twenty

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- eight years and I know that
they have done work in India that you

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already mentioned, they have published many
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now that they are making architecture in
motion, because yes. Fortunately, we

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have had the opportunity to work in
many places, for example, many cities

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in the Mexican Republic. Some works
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the United States, in New York, in Colorado, have Miami and I

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was telling you now we are being
an apartment in London. Indeed, Wow

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and here in Mexico we are doing
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Countess Colonia Juárez, in Naples we
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the land, doing all the construction
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sellers, but we coordinate, ok
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remodel them, bring them to the
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from structural facilities or finishes also to
sell. And we are also catering to

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some clients, that is, we
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Now we are making some proposals for
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Cancun and we started a development at
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Juárez, as boats of Juárez,
we have always had something of Chamán,

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Juárez see what a father, Ahorita. It' s going to be our

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first development since the purchase of the
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something ok In fact, that'
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had silver medal in the think it
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well of offices that was ayan Ciudad
Juárez, wow what father. So we

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' ve always had some Chamba,
right now. We said well, we

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' re going to make our pininos
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in Mexico, in the central colonies
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a lot of ay what good?
I' m very pleased with it.

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We really have a lot of work
to do, that' s good.

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He was very caught up in pandemics
and gloves, but after he finished all

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the psychosis, we started getting a
lot of champagne from things that we'

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re finishing up and some new stuff. And he hears that Father, I

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am very glad that Art Uve continues
in motion, just very much. Hey

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and I know they' ve done
like a thousand projects, but which one

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you' d like to be like
the project you' d like art art

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move to come in, what would
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of the crown look. We have
more than 200 projects of some executed,

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others not. Others remained on paper
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say that for the workshop, the
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forgets and enters the noro. That
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me in particular, this project that
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with insurgents, has been a very
strong challenge in every way, in the

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project, in the design, in
the financial part, in which we were

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touched by many, as many external
situations that made the project look slower than

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we planned. But I think it' s a project that' s going

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to be iconic in the city Wow. We' re about six months out.

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Oh, that' s good,
and he used us a lot of

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work. I want to make a
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respect. He' s got a
lot to study. This is perhaps already

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speaking personally of Eduardo, perhaps the
project that I liked most seriously. Wow.

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I would have thought it would have
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it' s a current one.
A current one. Yeah, amazing,

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six months is ready, yeah,
in six months or so we' re

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finishing up. It' s got
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excavation at twenty- five meters moro
milan parking lots with visits that is,

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until exceeded by visits, because it
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and have passed three tructuritos around.
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it has a lot, a lot, a lot to analyze and to study

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in its processes Guau, because already
new day. You have yes, yes,

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today is amazing. I want to
meet him. That' s terrible.

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What a father, because Fabio will
tell us what his crown jewel would

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be at best. And it'
s the same maybe. Or I'

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m telling you, he usually liked
the new project better. The new project

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very well, and how is the
process of designing with your team when you

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just get the jewel of the corena, which is a new project, how

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is your process, how you are
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Mira. We' ve had different
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of chamba and you have to solve
it quickly. That' s what it

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is, but we usually put the
project on a workshop table. We usually

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assign a project leader who is part
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the baton, but do we all
think? What good do we all think?

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We have made internal contests, with
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Sometimes we just talk and come to
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a collaborative workshop work, fun,
sometimes not so much fun everything. But

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he' s a father. I
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in general, if we could say

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that we have one way to design
it is always to put the project on

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a table, to think, to
salt the rope and to make decisions among

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all. Yeah, hey, it' s fine or go, always concrete,

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you don' t always have consensus
go, concrete. Sometimes you end

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up with two proposals and you put
them almost to the vote and then you

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fight because you say. Hey,
yeah, but no more, you'

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re saying it' s nicer to
me, and I' m just justifying

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why. Yes, because it doesn' t matter that conflict or that discussion

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generates better projects. Of course it' s amazing. And what is it

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that you like to do the most, i e interior design, architecture,

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what you like the most I like
the conceptual part, i e, is

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what I enjoy the most, although
slow to everything, I do project,

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I do works, I enter everything
and I like everything, but what I

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enjoy the most is the conceptual part. So it doesn' t matter if

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it' s interior design, if
it' s furniture design. I like

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to solve a situation MM very well. Yeah, I mean, I don

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' t know if I can explain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Hey we have to do this development
to leave so much, sometimes the

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financial and pore sometimes I care sometimes
then that conceptual part I really liked.

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Apart from the ideas, OK and
what are your five favorite architects, I

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think Cngo Fuma should already give him
Pritzker. They' re taking too long.

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I believe that this one has an
impressive work in wood and, besides,

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it has been built many sides and
seems to me one of the best

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today. This Agustín Hernández was an
inspiration for me in many years of my

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career and then I always admired him
very much. I really liked all that

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work with networks and organic stuff.
That in our early years of career we

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did a lot of organic, much
more than we do now. I mean,

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that' s where the stairwell comes
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- ha- ha, although not
all of us now have oramics We have

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a lot of organic formation. Our
first house in St Jerome we made it

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completely. He doesn' t have
a straight line. For example, ay

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Look how interesting then, Agustín Hernández. This son could tell you so much.

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I think maybe ren sopianos. It' s also inside the ones I

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like the most in Mexico. I
really like the work and saru roll and,

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for the same reason, it is
very conceptual and conceptualizes this one I

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could tell you so many that no. I think it might stop. The

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truth is that I feel that over
time you learn to appreciate from everyone a

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job well done, of course,
and some more than less. I say

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we' re naturally critical of the
arbiteries where you get critical, but I

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think that' s what we have
to accept, maybe. You' re

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not perfect in all processes, but
you do such or such a thing very

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well. Not then I think I
could appreciate a lot today. I liked

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it very much as good. I
like to hear Javier we are this organic

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part also that has made incredible the
park, but that is geth to which

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or to you is crazy this I
like milio both, for example, that

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also did things like buried today I
like Chipperfild, that I just saw a

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building of him that seemed spectacular to
me. I like a lot of poster

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work I don' t have a
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a few. Sure, I think
the inspiration is everywhere. Of course I

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bothered you quickly. I have cumba
because today is my favorite ok I look

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at it I smoke for myself yes
it is my favorite, but the truth

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is that you learn to lend everything
so many ay which father. Hey,

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this talk is amazing, and I' d like to extend it a lot

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more, because there' s a
lot to talk about all the time.

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But I would like to do this
part, because I would like to have

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both of you also clear, to
have the different types of view. But

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now to fulfill this great interview.
What would you say to the new generations

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of architects who are about to take
the step, just as You and Fabio

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did in their time to do the
same. What you' d say to

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them, I mean, I'
ve always said this, come on,

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because if you measure it and measure
it and measure it, you don'

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t, but that' s my
experience. So it was, we got

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out and started working And another that
I would tell them, because I feel

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that there, not in architecture,
but in life. Today everyone wants things

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easy. Agintentura is not easy.
You have to row and put your hands

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in the mud and work clear and
chambear and get your chamba. And I

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mean, maybe that' s why
we started being developers, because we had

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little work to do and then you
had to see how you did it to

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learn how to do a financial study
and now, instead of the client,

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you have an investor. I mean, you always have to look for him,

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you have to look for him.
Then I' d say hitchhikers.

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Of course, it' s not
easy, but in the end it'

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s a very rewarding career. When
you imagined something came out of your head,

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it cost you work or not,
but you see it finished. It

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' s amazing it' s one
thing that' s going to live longer

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than one. Yeah, in fact, you' re going to leave a

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legacy whatever it is is amazing that
in sixty years I don' t live

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or maybe I don' t live
in thirty, but let my kids say

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oh look at that building. I
did, my dad left this or the

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other one. I don' t
think we have that responsibility. We'

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re leaving something that lives longer than
we do. Two care. Of course,

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Eduardo, thank you so much for
being with us. It really isn

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' t the last time, because
since that time Avidadex was one they had

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been, but since we were able
to consolidate a good interview and for the

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other they are already with great pleasure. Of course it brings us together perfectly,

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because thank you so much, and
I remind you that you can listen

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ad radio to the new podcasts and
new programs that are already going to enter

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into all the music streams Spotify,
Amazon Podcast, Google Podcast dezer Whatever you

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want there we are so there is
not this one that you tell me that

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you did not find us. They
can find us there without any problems.

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Thank you very much, Eduardo,
Thank you Clave and we are going to

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the precipice. See you soon for
sure. Take care of yourselves, bye bye,