Hello how about very good afternoon. I am Karen Ramirez and we are in
a broadcast of more than ten radio to design in your ears and I am
very happy because we are at the beginning of the season, of this new
season that we are doing here in Capo laboro, in San Luis Potosí one
hundred and thirteen in the colony Romas, and that I invite you to come
and turn to your shorm I am very happy because today I am with us.
For the first time I had already interviewed them, but it was fast,
because they were in an exhibition and it went fast. But right now,
if I already have them here, well one of them. They are
architecture, movement, and I have Eduardo Micha, who is here with us.
He failed Fabio, but here he is constituted. Here with me,
Eduardo, how are you? All right. Thank you, thank you very
much for the invitation, not thank you very much for coming. And so
I had interviewed them super fast when they made the pavilion of habitat expo that
I already remember in which year it was, because it already has a time,
already has a dol already has a little bit. I interviewed them there
quickly, but we were finally able to connect them in time and they'
re here. I' m very pleased with it. Thank you, yes,
that pavilion tending to like this is crystal. She was just fatherly,
the infinite tendency, she said accurately, was incredible. The truth was very
father. But it' s a good thing you' re here with us.
We' re short of fabio, but another time he' ll be
with us. I hope clearly and he says other things than me. Ah,
Güey Bi, it' s great to have the perspective of both of
us. Yeah, well, all right. I' d like to start
this interview by asking you who Eduardo Micha is, because I' m here.
I' m an architect of La Nagua. Originally this I wanted to
be an architect since I was in high school. I have an architect brother
and I always liked gossiping about what he was doing until the early hours of
the morning, etcetera. And I always really liked the race. It seems
to me that I always had some inclination for the creative part and I really
liked the philosophical. I am very good the truth, very troubadour and well
yes, and I like the part of architecture, the philosophical part very much.
I also design and do the built practice and everything, but I liked
every first conceptual stage father, that is, it' s what makes me
more pair very well and good. That' s me the perfect truth hears
and then the one who talent just makes the decision to get involved in architecture
was your brother. It wasn' t as much as breath backwards. A
little while ago I told him when I finished prepa I told him I want
to be an arniteto what you think. I mean, there' s chamban,
there' s no Chamba, and Art answered me the truth. Today
I don' t know any architect who starves. He almost patted me on
the back and told me to give him go and a few days later he
had opened a furniture store in polanco. He said hey, I' m
needing someone to take care of this store. He told me you want to
come so I finished prepa, I worked at the furniture store before starting the
race, because I didn' t have money to pay for the race.
I had to work for a while. In fact, I worked a year
and a half before starting the race. Okay, so I' m starting
the race at my 20s, already working a year and a half from a
furniture and decoration store. And so I denounce something in the middle, especially
in the inner part. Yeah, she' s a rake, but we
were doing this one, so there were some furniture designed by him and everything.
But we made all these adjustments. Or suddenly I got into gossiping about
how to design a new piece of furniture. I still didn' t design
anything, of course, but I started to understand a lot, a lot
of the conception of space and then started the race. It' s about
halfway through the race I see myself a little bit short again of wool from
what I' d saved and what I already had to pay for. And
that' s when I get close to friends and say son, I need
an office. But we' re already going to do something and raise a
hand, a couple of friends Fabidos one of them, and we made architecture
in motion. By that time there was no longer the furniture store, but
this one started architecture in motion with the first idea of making furniture and interior
design, because in other words, we were going in fourth or fifth semester.
Okay, we' re starting like this. The truth is, if
we had planned it, I don' t know if we would have done
it, maybe if they' d thought about it more, if they'
d say no maybe, something more fixed or something not. If you'
d told him how much it' s going to cost, how I do
it. I' d give you the feeling that we' d questioned a
lot more. So, being from Ciudad Juárez and living in Mexico, he
didn' t like generating some income, too. And I needed to generate
income for no. And besides, I was telling them at that time,
I don' t have any money. I have clients and there I have
spirit for myself and to more or less insert something from Chamba, but I
have no money to invest. But, I mean, I have some experience.
And so he got into how good it is to distrust the other.
It' s this father, but it' s the same thing I'
m telling you. If they had thought about it, they would have said
how I' m going to associate with someone who doesn' t have money,
who doesn' t mean, we don' t think about it.
We did it. In a fortnight after that proposal, we had an open
office. He' s a friend He was going to live somewhere else in
the world. He left an office perfectly mounted there in the chamizal, in
forests, up to the top of forests, we stayed close to the University
and things got really bad one after the other incredible. Hey, that'
s good, what a father he was already like, that something was for
you guys. That' s right. Hey, what a father I'
m very pleased with and you from the beginning trusted me to say,'
cause I do pull it off. You know that my parents' house where
I lived at the time was in Tecamachan. Then it was half the meeting
point of all the quates, those who lived in the south not to come
to the seven o' clock delivery in the morning or stay in the house.
We' re done with champagne and we' re going to deliver and
we' re going to each other. The truth is that we had many
years of being friends, all of us getting together a lot and we already
knew each other quite well. And the day I made the proposal, I
don' t remember. If there were four or six friends in the bar,
we' d have Turkish coffee between flat and flat. All right,
and this one and I' ll tell you two raised their hand. I
was the third. First we opened the director in motion between three and then
we left just failed and I ok, all right. I would have guessed
good at that if I was going to be like this. With you at
that time, maybe I' ll join my brother, but you didn'
t sell it from there. I can just see what happens like the store,
the store. I worked for him, but he' s nine years
older than me. Ah Ok when the shop closes, because it was mainly
because of a strong devaluation that there was in the ninety- four we brought
pure Italian furniture. Everything went three times more expensive. Then imagine me as
a throne that situation. I was going to his office for a little while,
but I never formally didn' t have the training and I wasn'
t finished. Then that situation was very uncomfortable and I said no, not
to prostrate in his shadow. I mean, he' s already on another
roll. It' s in big. Sure. Sure, so I never
thought to say hey, Dame Chambao a moms, I didn' t have
to offer. Okay, I was tending to my clients at the mill a
little bit, and he' s chambing him. Yeah, but I think
you make a big decision. And besides, it was already like everything already
written for you, definitely for me, also for my brother, that my
brother had this four children, of which two are architects look, one is
designer, graphic, another is merchant and the three work with him. So,
imagine the guy there, because it would have been weird not to work
with him by now. A very creative family. What a father is two,
yes, the truth is, and they work amazingly. He also hears,
What parents is amazing that and how good that, because now they are
doing how long the architecture moves. We already opened in July of the ninety
- six. That' s about to turn twenty- eight. Look at
twenty- eight years when you ask me and I tell them, it'
s already much worse, twenty- eight years. In ninety- six I
tell you how old I was in ninety- six. I can imagine it
was too much. I had four. Wow, eight years. Wow,
it' s amazing. Twenty- eight years of architecture in motion. No,
that' s it. It' s more than consolidated. I mean,
I' m already the big leagues. We were single. We had
hair where it' s more. Handsome all my way, they' re
still handsome both of us. Of course I do. Of course I do.
Wow Twenty- eight years working. Wow, it' s amazing and
how that was. Working twenty- eight years had the time together, see
what one of us is doing for this result. I think it' s
just that we never saw this was Fabio and Eduardo' s office, not
like Micha and Correa at all, we never saw it that way. We
always saw it as a space of collaboration where the opinion of all people entered,
where we could receive, we could open up and so we worked.
I mean, surely Fabio and I are the heads of the office, but
always all the people who have worked with us. We have people who are
twenty- six of those, twenty- eight or twenty- seven wow or
people who are fifteen eighteen years old with us, that is, we have
very long relationships. Not always. It' s not always like that.
There are people coming in and at six months they already want to leave.
But when we achieve this combination, relationships are usually very long. Wow.
And that' s why, I think, because we allow there to be
a collaboration in everything, in the whole, in the whole court stateization of
the projects, in the financial part, in the economic part, we talk
everything is a workshop. Now we call it architecture first, movement, simply
and now we call it armo Worksho is a workshop, of course, yes,
it is a workshop work of the project. Wow, that' s
amazing. Wow, it' s a 28- year- old relationship with
a partner Wow. That' s also big, big, or it'
s called so much they' re changing each other' s personal needs,
that' s what single bouquets used to call you. Then Fabio gets married
about ten years before I have children before, his needs are different from mine.
I think I' m much bigger, that is, and going tie
those changes is is also important, not because Fabia is already your brother.
One hundred percent, one hundred percent. Well, they' ve grown up
together. Besides, first it was my friends and then partners. Of course,
friendship is first or any other, I understand you. I understand that
part of you, what a parent that has that relationship and, above all,
that it continues to prevail with so many years and that it is going
to have all this. Okay. Rather, that kind of creative architecture offices
that already have many years in the Rubry and you say is that we already
have a lot of work. As a matter of fact, I knew mob
justly. I don' t remember whether it was on a social network or
on an intern page, but it was on the Internet that I met.
I met you with your work with some stairs that you were published and that
you were very famous and that no one could believe that you made them,
two Mexicans. Those stairs were very famous. You know it' s still
like the most viralized images we' re serious about. To doubt we continue
to publish those canles we made in India just ah Ok yes already has about
twelve or fourteen and also they have copied them seriously. They copied them into
a film and this ay what and the one who copied it was nominated to
the Oscar for the design of the spado. It' s not true that
the part we' re trying to make makes it clear that nothing works,
but they did copy them. What a movie Pascinger was, I knew it
was Fascingers. I saw that movie where this Chris Pratt and Jennifer Lawrence came
out and I saw just like that about Scaryga. I ay, you can
do a lot of dark mo, but I already had you know what'
s going on is that there are you guys. If I could speak in
front of a court, I would perfectly prove to you that it is the
copy, because they copied even the defects. M covered the mistakes, mistakes
I mean the adjustments we had to make to heat up the design, p
or if you accuse them in works. I guess they had them, they
copied them like that and they didn' t have those space limitations or whatever
it was, not sure, look amazingly, but yes, we couldn'
t do anything and yes, I swear I did make that comparison and those
stairs I' ve seen before and I said then dark mo, but I
never thought that it was a total copy and completed, since it covers your
mistakes, it already says a lot, no, not bad, bad,
bad, but good and besides, it' s nominated to the best set
Yes. Yes, yes, son, gentlemen, yes, I remember.
Yeah, yeah, that' s right. Wow, wow, well,
he did good. Not that, if we see him on that side,
they did very well. You guys then met us for that. I didn
' t know why tearing apart I was in college and it happened to us.
I remember, they left us a task and they just let us see
that we were just seeing emblematic stairs of the history of architecture and just we
already find the most contemporary ones and they celebrate you and there I just knew
your work. Like this, but what a father. This is amazing And
if I tell you a story about when I was a student or we had
a sudden design of stairs and back up but with two, how Chris,
yeah, right, okay, the truth of those stairs were more designed,
please for me, but yes not flunked at the university and here the best
stairs already at the hotel. Today I focistad her inside the top ten stairs,
I' m not sure, they' re amazing. I' m
me I fell in love with the stairs. There' s my teacher.
I remember you told me where you find them l is architecture and movement is
Mexican, Son Mexico, the most Mexican iso. I did, you didn
' t know what father, what pride that, well, somehow bad that
they copied them, but since they break your mistakes. It' s like
you' re looking at it. You know I need to identify it and
tell me what they are doing right now in architecture and movement, because twenty
- eight years and I know that they have done work in India that you
already mentioned, they have published many sides in London, they have been building
now that they are making architecture in motion, because yes. Fortunately, we
have had the opportunity to work in many places, for example, many cities
in the Mexican Republic. Some works or interior design that we have done in
the United States, in New York, in Colorado, have Miami and I
was telling you now we are being an apartment in London. Indeed, Wow
and here in Mexico we are doing development, especially in the central colonies,
Countess Colonia Juárez, in Naples we do development of different kinds, from buying
the land, doing all the construction procedures and coordinating sales. We are not
sellers, but we coordinate, ok or some others where we buy existing buildings,
remodel them, bring them to the current value of everything, that is
from structural facilities or finishes also to sell. And we are also catering to
some clients, that is, we have always served direct clients in particular projects.
Now we are making some proposals for some houses that are being made in
Cancun and we started a development at the end of last year. In Ciudad
Juárez, as boats of Juárez, we have always had something of Chamán,
Juárez see what a father, Ahorita. It' s going to be our
first development since the purchase of the land, but we' ve always had
something ok In fact, that' s where we made a building that was
had silver medal in the think it was tenth, biennial of Mexican architecture,
well of offices that was ayan Ciudad Juárez, wow what father. So we
' ve always had some Chamba, right now. We said well, we
' re going to make our pininos as developers in Juarez I told you here,
in Mexico, in the central colonies and particular projects, we always have
a lot of ay what good? I' m very pleased with it.
We really have a lot of work to do, that' s good.
He was very caught up in pandemics and gloves, but after he finished all
the psychosis, we started getting a lot of champagne from things that we'
re finishing up and some new stuff. And he hears that Father, I
am very glad that Art Uve continues in motion, just very much. Hey
and I know they' ve done like a thousand projects, but which one
you' d like to be like the project you' d like art art
move to come in, what would you say. That would be the jewel
of the crown look. We have more than 200 projects of some executed,
others not. Others remained on paper and others finished and delivered. I always
say that for the workshop, the new project is the jewel of the crown
And that jewel of the crown in three minutes that enters into a new project,
forgets and enters the noro. That is for the workshop, but for
me in particular, this project that we are finishing in the street of Abrestina
with insurgents, has been a very strong challenge in every way, in the
project, in the design, in the financial part, in which we were
touched by many, as many external situations that made the project look slower than
we planned. But I think it' s a project that' s going
to be iconic in the city Wow. We' re about six months out.
Oh, that' s good, and he used us a lot of
work. I want to make a pool out of that project because in every
respect. He' s got a lot to study. This is perhaps already
speaking personally of Eduardo, perhaps the project that I liked most seriously. Wow.
I would have thought it would have been one of years ago, but
it' s a current one. A current one. Yeah, amazing,
six months is ready, yeah, in six months or so we' re
finishing up. It' s got some conservation. It has part of an
excavation at twenty- five meters moro milan parking lots with visits that is,
until exceeded by visits, because it was the previous regulation a very particular structure
and have passed three tructuritos around. Seriously yes, yes, I mean,
it has a lot, a lot, a lot to analyze and to study
in its processes Guau, because already new day. You have yes, yes,
today is amazing. I want to meet him. That' s terrible.
What a father, because Fabio will tell us what his crown jewel would
be at best. And it' s the same maybe. Or I'
m telling you, he usually liked the new project better. The new project
very well, and how is the process of designing with your team when you
just get the jewel of the corena, which is a new project, how
is your process, how you are developing it so that it already takes place
Mira. We' ve had different stages, sometimes there' s a lot
of chamba and you have to solve it quickly. That' s what it
is, but we usually put the project on a workshop table. We usually
assign a project leader who is part of our team to carry, like all
the baton, but do we all think? What good do we all think?
We have made internal contests, with model, internal contests with drawing.
Sometimes we just talk and come to terms with it, but there is always
a collaborative workshop work, fun, sometimes not so much fun everything. But
he' s a father. I think it' s part of that process.
Yes, of course, then, in general, if we could say
that we have one way to design it is always to put the project on
a table, to think, to salt the rope and to make decisions among
all. Yeah, hey, it' s fine or go, always concrete,
you don' t always have consensus go, concrete. Sometimes you end
up with two proposals and you put them almost to the vote and then you
fight because you say. Hey, yeah, but no more, you'
re saying it' s nicer to me, and I' m just justifying
why. Yes, because it doesn' t matter that conflict or that discussion
generates better projects. Of course it' s amazing. And what is it
that you like to do the most, i e interior design, architecture,
what you like the most I like the conceptual part, i e, is
what I enjoy the most, although slow to everything, I do project,
I do works, I enter everything and I like everything, but what I
enjoy the most is the conceptual part. So it doesn' t matter if
it' s interior design, if it' s furniture design. I like
to solve a situation MM very well. Yeah, I mean, I don
' t know if I can explain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hey we have to do this development to leave so much, sometimes the
financial and pore sometimes I care sometimes then that conceptual part I really liked.
Apart from the ideas, OK and what are your five favorite architects, I
think Cngo Fuma should already give him Pritzker. They' re taking too long.
I believe that this one has an impressive work in wood and, besides,
it has been built many sides and seems to me one of the best
today. This Agustín Hernández was an inspiration for me in many years of my
career and then I always admired him very much. I really liked all that
work with networks and organic stuff. That in our early years of career we
did a lot of organic, much more than we do now. I mean,
that' s where the stairwell comes from, the famous stairwell maybe a
- ha- ha, although not all of us now have oramics We have
a lot of organic formation. Our first house in St Jerome we made it
completely. He doesn' t have a straight line. For example, ay
Look how interesting then, Agustín Hernández. This son could tell you so much.
I think maybe ren sopianos. It' s also inside the ones I
like the most in Mexico. I really like the work and saru roll and,
for the same reason, it is very conceptual and conceptualizes this one I
could tell you so many that no. I think it might stop. The
truth is that I feel that over time you learn to appreciate from everyone a
job well done, of course, and some more than less. I say
we' re naturally critical of the arbiteries where you get critical, but I
think that' s what we have to accept, maybe. You' re
not perfect in all processes, but you do such or such a thing very
well. Not then I think I could appreciate a lot today. I liked
it very much as good. I like to hear Javier we are this organic
part also that has made incredible the park, but that is geth to which
or to you is crazy this I like milio both, for example, that
also did things like buried today I like Chipperfild, that I just saw a
building of him that seemed spectacular to me. I like a lot of poster
work I don' t have a lot, a lot, a lot,
a few. Sure, I think the inspiration is everywhere. Of course I
bothered you quickly. I have cumba because today is my favorite ok I look
at it I smoke for myself yes it is my favorite, but the truth
is that you learn to lend everything so many ay which father. Hey,
this talk is amazing, and I' d like to extend it a lot
more, because there' s a lot to talk about all the time.
But I would like to do this part, because I would like to have
both of you also clear, to have the different types of view. But
now to fulfill this great interview. What would you say to the new generations
of architects who are about to take the step, just as You and Fabio
did in their time to do the same. What you' d say to
them, I mean, I' ve always said this, come on,
because if you measure it and measure it and measure it, you don'
t, but that' s my experience. So it was, we got
out and started working And another that I would tell them, because I feel
that there, not in architecture, but in life. Today everyone wants things
easy. Agintentura is not easy. You have to row and put your hands
in the mud and work clear and chambear and get your chamba. And I
mean, maybe that' s why we started being developers, because we had
little work to do and then you had to see how you did it to
learn how to do a financial study and now, instead of the client,
you have an investor. I mean, you always have to look for him,
you have to look for him. Then I' d say hitchhikers.
Of course, it' s not easy, but in the end it'
s a very rewarding career. When you imagined something came out of your head,
it cost you work or not, but you see it finished. It
' s amazing it' s one thing that' s going to live longer
than one. Yeah, in fact, you' re going to leave a
legacy whatever it is is amazing that in sixty years I don' t live
or maybe I don' t live in thirty, but let my kids say
oh look at that building. I did, my dad left this or the
other one. I don' t think we have that responsibility. We'
re leaving something that lives longer than we do. Two care. Of course,
Eduardo, thank you so much for being with us. It really isn
' t the last time, because since that time Avidadex was one they had
been, but since we were able to consolidate a good interview and for the
other they are already with great pleasure. Of course it brings us together perfectly,
because thank you so much, and I remind you that you can listen
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Thank you very much, Eduardo, Thank you Clave and we are going to
the precipice. See you soon for sure. Take care of yourselves, bye bye,